Legislature(2005 - 2006)BELTZ 211

03/15/2005 03:30 PM Senate STATE AFFAIRS


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= bill was previously heard/scheduled
Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled
= SB 54 PROTECTIVE ORDERS FOR SEXUAL ASSAULT
Moved CSSB 54(STA) Out of Committee
= SB 88 POLICY ON GENERAL FUND REVENUE SHORTFALL
Moved SB 88 Out of Committee
= SB 20 OFFENSES AGAINST UNBORN CHILDREN
Moved CSSB 20(STA) Out of Committee
        SB  88-POLICY ON GENERAL FUND REVENUE SHORTFALL                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR   GENE  THERRIAULT   announced   SB  88   to   be  up   for                                                               
consideration. He asked Senator Wilken  to come forward. He noted                                                               
that the  sponsor had asked  that the committee forward  the bill                                                               
to the Finance Committee.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:41:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GARY WILKEN,  sponsor, said he wanted  to restate certain                                                               
aspects  of  the chart  that  he  explained during  the  previous                                                               
hearing. He clarified that if you  were to take $250 million from                                                               
the earnings  reserve every  year for  ten years,  the cumulative                                                               
impact on the Permanent Fund Dividend would be $436.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  KIM  ELTON commented  that  this  is a  fairly  dramatic                                                               
proposal  and he  was  interested in  whether  the sponsor  would                                                               
consider amending the proposal to  make a draw from the Permanent                                                               
Fund  Earnings Reserve  account  contingent upon  a  vote of  the                                                               
people.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILKEN  replied he  didn't like the  idea of  putting the                                                               
issue  to a  public vote  in  1999 and  he likes  it less  today.                                                               
Legislators  are elected  to make  this sort  of decision  and to                                                               
understand  the  ramifications  of   using  the  state's  assets.                                                               
Furthermore, he said, the governor  misspoke when he talked about                                                               
using the earnings.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:46:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  ELTON  asked  whether   this  might  not  be  ultimately                                                               
unsuccessful since the governor has veto powers.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WILKEN  said  he  hadn't discussed  the  bill  with  the                                                               
governor, but  he has worked  with his  staff to ensure  that the                                                               
numbers are  accurate. He  reminded members  that this  is policy                                                               
and  it  could be  ignored  if  the circumstances  warranted.  He                                                               
suggested that  this fiscal plan  works and the one  offered last                                                               
year didn't.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
He  argued that  by the  time  this policy  becomes statute,  the                                                               
governor  and  others will  understand  the  merit of  using  the                                                               
earnings and the Constitutional  Budget Reserve until the state's                                                               
natural resources are developed.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR THERRIAULT suggested  that adding a requirement  for a vote                                                               
of  the people  is meaningless  because legislators  can exercise                                                               
the  constitutional  power to  use  the  Permanent Fund  earnings                                                               
anytime. In fact, that point  also applies to this proposal; it's                                                               
simply a restatement of that constitutional authority.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:49:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WILKEN offered  the opinion  that this  is an  effort to                                                               
educate as much as it is legislation.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  CHARLIE HUGGINS  said he  views this  as a  conversation                                                               
starter.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:52:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  THERRIAULT noted  he  has  heard about  the  issue from  a                                                               
number of people so the conversation is starting.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:53:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WAGNER motioned to report  SB 88 and attached fiscal zero                                                               
note from committee with individual recommendations.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  ELTON objected.  Speaking to  his objection  he said  he                                                               
does  appreciate the  idea of  continuing  the conversation,  but                                                               
when he votes  no it is because  he is a proponent  of the income                                                               
tax to  fill the  gap. He favors  that because it  is based  on a                                                               
person's ability to pay.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:54:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  HUGGINS  announced he  wants  to  go  on record  as  not                                                               
supporting any tax.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:55:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  THERRIAULT asked  for  a  roll call  vote.  The motion  to                                                               
report  SB  88  from  committee  passed  with  Senators  Wagoner,                                                               
Huggins, Davis and Chair Therriault  voting yea and Senator Elton                                                               
voting nay.                                                                                                                     

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